~ The Dialogue between Muren and Isadon ~
This dialogue occurred between Muren, a 27-year-old man from Inner Mongolia and Isadon, one of the founders of Konohana Family at the foot of Mt. Fuji in
Japan on September, 10th, 2015. Muren, who majors in economics at Chuo University in Japan, wanted to learn about Japanese ancient civilization, so he participated in the Katakamuna workshop held at Konohana Family in August. Awa-chan, a 36-year-old Japanese man who has been staying at Konohana Family for one year and organizing “the Earth Summit” was there, too.
*Please refer to here for the Earth Statement.
Isadon:
Now that we have entered the 21st century, we have been facing some great turning points. On one of them, we have shifted from the era of developing the Western physics and science that has continued for 250 years from the Industrial Revolution to that of exploring something in the back of physics and science. The Katakamuna cosmophysics that you learned the other day is one of them and so is the will (law) in the back of nature and the universe. The order exists there and under the order, we humans have faced the current era and live our lives. In this meaning, the true purpose of life for humans is being aware of all living beings with the will of this world and contributing to the abundant network of various lives, instead of creating a world which is convenient only to humans. Therefore, it is important to listen to the voice of the Earth and nature surrounding us, and to reflect that will in this world. You said that all the people who have inherited the blood of Inner Mongolia are shaman originally. However, everyone should be such an existence originally.
Muren:
That is right!
Isadon:
You offered the ceremony of prayer at Miyanoshita, the sacred site of Konohana Family this morning. People whose life purpose is physical development might consider such an action superstitious and meaningless. However, in fact, it is such an action and spirituality that leads to the will (law) of this world and operates this world. Now that we had the winter solstice of the galaxy on December 21st, 2012 and have entered the cycle when the Eastern spiritual civilization will blossom, the time has arrived when people are going to become aware of the truth of a new era. Mt. Fuji stands in the northeast from that site. The northeast is called Ushitora in Japanese and the direction where the god of the Earth exists. Therefore, the fact that Mt. Fuji stands in that direction has a significant meaning. That sacred site is the place where we offer the ceremonies to connect with the divine. The ceremony of the Mayan New Year which was held at the foot of Mt. Fuji on July 26th from the year 2014, is held at that site, too.
Muren:
I would love to participate in the ceremony of the Mayan New Year next year! Originally, Mt. Fuji is a sacred mountain, so many people should not climb it.
Isadon:
You are right. Originally, the purpose of climbing Mt. Fuji is that people with such spirituality communicate with themselves and receive the divine will. In Japan, those who belong to the religion called Shugen-do hid themselves in the mountain and gained a very strict training. That was to reach enlightenment. Many people climb Mt. Fuji every year, but if it becomes an opportunity to realize an important thing, I think it would be all right. However, most people end up just sightseeing.
Muren:
People in the current era have forgotten the original way of living and have gone too far based on their desires. However, the conventional value has faced the turning point and Mother Nature is about to awake people with natural disasters. That is why natural disasters have occurred frequently on Earth and more disasters will come in the future.
Isadon:
I agree with you. Natural disasters are not just natural phenomena, but we can consider them as the will of nature to transform the human way of living.
Muren:
As a society model needed after humans become awakened, Konohana Family has already established its system. I heard from a Mongolian teacher that the lifestyle of Konohana Family in harmony with nature is not only good for the Earth and the solar system, but also an order from the universe.
Isadon:
Even if the universe brings down the order, if humans do not receive it smoothly, the messages accompanying pains (adversity such as natural disasters) will be given to us.
Muren:
I can see that because humans do not listen to the voice of the Earth at all although they have been given so many messages. When I bring up such a topic, people tend to talk about economy. It is certain that having meals every day is necessary in our real life. However, this topic is more like a different dimension, so we cannot consider them equally.
Isadon:
Only when people transform the consciousness of living, can they understand it.
Muren:
Exactly. The main cause is the Western physical civilization that started in UK after the Industrial Revolution. Before that, people lived in harmony with nature. However, after the Industrial Revolution, the Western material civilization spread to the world and the connection with nature has been cut gradually. I think the Western people have an idea that they can create what God has created. I believe they know the rule of nature, too. However, they have developed the material civilization contrary to that.
Isadon:
When people think they create what God has created, I think it is all right if they realize that they do it on behalf of God. However, they came to think they can do it without the will of God, so they started to bring various contradictions on Earth. That is a situation where the human activities are detached from the system of nature (the divine will). Therefore, people live only with human wisdom. The human ability is superior, but the height of physics and science is military force and nuclear bombs exist as a contradiction in this world.
Muren:
What is destroyed by the military force is nature. I can hear its scream.
Isadon:
Even if nature is not destroyed by the military force, the soul of the Earth will be damaged only with the human thought to make wars with it. Such confrontational vibrancy is everywhere on Earth. In fact, although people do not make wars, if people consume and dispose things massively with their desires, it will destroy the balance of nature as well. The network of life circulation of the Earth is gentle, so it is important to live gently to others and the Earth.
You communicated with something great, spreading your hands toward Mt. Fuji at our sacred land this morning.
Muren:
Yes.
Isadon:
If physics and science develops with such spirituality, they should become gentler. However, with that spirituality, we will not need physics and science as much. And then, a greater thing will emerge.
Muren:
Exacty! The science has led the world from the Industrial Revolution, but I believe such spirituality will lead the world from now on.
Isadon:
Compared to the spirituality that people spread hands toward the sky with joy and gratitude to live with the divine, the current people just look down without becoming aware of the divine, and create the network based on profit-and-loss arithmetic. It has brought the vibrancy of conflicts on Earth, so the Earth, the solar system and the universe itself says NO. As a matter of fact, isn’t the system strange where people can make money just by moving money in a virtual world such as the current economic system?
Muren:
That is right.
Isadon:
Now that such a system has faced a transitional period, young people who are aware of the truth and study economics feel something is strange with the current economic system.
Muren:
Absolutely! I study money economy, but it is not a true economy. The true economy is political more than just politics and philosophical more than just philosophy. However, the current economy is just an action that people move money and we cannot call it economy.
Isadon:
Moving money is all right in terms of circulation. However, the problem is the world where people move money and compete for it.
Muren:
Exactly. Only some people with money can make more in the current situation.
Isadon:
Originally, money is like blood in our body and flow of life in the society. The healthy status of our body is that blood goes everywhere, makes a good circulation and does not stop at one point. However, in the current society, some smart people can make money and become rich. It would be a role model for most people, but it could be the same as symptoms of disease like arteriosclerosis if the same thing occurs in our body.
Muren:
I agree with you. It is the same as the financial crisis that occurred in the US in 2008.
Isadon:
Therefore, in the current society, people have worshiped something like terrible symptoms of lifestyle diseases in our body. What a contradiction! However, there are still many people who do not understand this. Isn’t it so simple?
Muren:
For sure. That is why, we need to learn the ancient wisdom such as Katakamuna. It includes physics, astronomy and philosophy.
Isadon:
We can analyze this world in both micro and macro ways with Katakamuna. It is called cosmophysics and at the same time, it shows the system which is much finer than our cells and particles. Moreover, it even shows the existence of the potential world that we humans did not recognize in the past, in the back of the phenomenal world.
Muren:
In fact, what the modern science is trying to pursue is the exact world of Katakamuna. However, the Katakamuna people had such a world in their brain. On the other hand, the modern people have been creating such a world physically.
Isadon:
The modern people have it in their brain, too. However, that ability has remained off.
Muren:
And they have been using such a great ability in the outside world, not in their brain, placing a disproportionate emphasis on physical exploration. Therefore, they end up producing tons of garbage for the Earth.
Isadon:
Now that the human activity reaping with the benefit of the modern physics and science has brought so many contradictions on Earth, we humans have faced a stage to transform our way of living. Therefore, people like you have been born and the lifestyle of Konohana Family has emerged.
Muren:
In a sense, now is the transitional period from the Western civilization to the Eastern civilization. At this transitional period, Japan will play a highly important role. In the meaning that the Eastern spiritual civilization is about to begin, I would like to support China and Xi Jinping. He has been involved in a political conflict and I predict that conflict will be over in two years. I look forward to what kind of actions he will take then. The reason why I support him is that he loves traditional culture. I heard he reads Chinese classics and I feel he has a dream of the East from various things. Of course, I also have a dream of the East and I am sure that the East plays a role to lead the world to the right direction in the future.
Isadon:
What you said is described in “The Cycle of Civilizations” which is frequently used in Konohana Family. According to the cycle, the Western civilization flourished and declined during 250 years after the Industrial Revolution and then, the Eastern civilization will blossom. Japan and China will play a very important role from now on.
Muren:
In the history of the Earth, I feel the relationship between Japan and China will be more important in the future. However, the current China is not good. Therefore, it is significant for Japan and China to work together after Xi Jinping realizes the dream of the East and works on creating the country on a full scale. It will be a huge contribution to the Earth.
Isadon:
Japan made a war of aggression 70 years ago. I believe that was a war of aggression. However, another purpose of that war was to create the national community called the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere like EU. Now that the era has started when the Eastern spiritual civilization blossoms, going through 70 years, I feel the East Asia nations such as China, Japan, North and South Korea will become a model for the ideal national community on Earth. This is what I told the Chinese people who visited Konohana Family last December.
Muren:
The TV news has been broadcasting various natural disasters and such a difficulty is occurring in front of everyone. That is the beginning of the flow to seek the Eastern civilization. Now, such phenomena have begun intensely.
Isadon:
When I talk with you, I feel you already have the same vision that we do. This is an international movement that various generations in various places on Earth are going to spread from the same vision that came down from one source.
Muren:
That is right! When I talked with some Konohana Family members yesterday, a vision came up to me instantly. The vision is that the lifestyle of Konohana Family will spread all over the world in the future. Then, I had a suggestion. I would like you to establish a political and economic laboratory here in Konohana Family. By doing so, more people around the world will gather here.
Isadon:
I believe it will spread to the world in the network where an especially young generation like you leads the movement, rather than we do it alone. Of course, Konohana Family would be in an important position as an example of practicing it. If we establish such a laboratory as an international movement, it would be interesting for a suggestion of a new lifestyle overcoming the traditional materialistic value.
You have met us, in order to make sure of your role that from now on contributes to human awakening as a world person.
Muren:
I agree with you. I was able to know my mission thanks to my ancestors. It is my ancestors that guided me to this path after the 6-year training. They were great people who were involved in the history of Inner Mongolia a long time ago. In the current society, there are so many people who do not know what to do although they have great talents. Also, the spirituality based on the lifestyle of Konohana Family is truly important, but the system to explain it has not been established yet in the current society. Therefore, it is necessary to spread it academically in the political, economic and social fields.
Isadon:
What I have imagined, listening to your talk, is for example, that spirit exists in the circulation of nature, animals and humans as the form of nomadism in case of Inner Mongolia. It does not contradict the relationship with stars nor the global ecosystem at all. In case of Japan, that spirit exists in the circulation of nature, humans, rice paddies and vegetable fields as the form of farming. Of course, it exists among Native Americans, Incas and Inuits, too. If people’s value changes in an extension that such people’s way of living is sustainable, the abundant world with high spirituality will appear anytime.
The path that humans have been exploring in the past is a great experiment in a sense. Therefore, the fact that science has developed as human wisdom was not wrong. The Western physics, science and technology has evolved and human physical abilities have highly improved. However, as a result, people have forgotten the existence of the divine and nature and the human desires have gone out of control unilaterally. People came to think and take actions based on only human wisdom, instead of communicating with the divine. And humans have misunderstood that they are capable and superior. However, their high ability has not brought a sustainable way of living. Instead, various issues have been brought on Earth as the proof of the arrogant human attitude. No matter how much people seek non-sustainable abundance, they will have to face a collapse sooner or later.
Now that we have faced some great turning points, the time has arrived when people should have a broad worldview and think how to operate the Earth, communicating with the divine. The Earth exists under the relationship with stars, so we are going to enter the era when humans become conscious of the universe both spiritually and physically. At this stage, we humans are going to shift to the era when we think how to operate the universe.
Muren:
The time has arrived when each person has to make a choice. Then, Konohana Family has established a model for a new era already, so you need to show the system which the general people can understand easily.
Isadon:
It means that when the general people visit us, they will be able to sense the members are all equal and live a secure and safe life without any anxiety for their future. Our lifestyle could be a model not only in the fields of politics, economy, education, medication, welfare, but also in child rearing.
Muren:
Everything in this lifestyle will become a model for a new era for sure! Konohana Family members are ones who practice it in their daily life, and the role of academics is to theorize it and spread it to the world. When people have to choose a new direction in living in the future, I would like to work to make this transition for humans go smoothly.
Isadon:
I gave a lecture at a university three days ago. Those who listened to it have been sensing something wrong with the current society, but they did not have a solution. However, by meeting with the lifestyle of Konohana Family, they have realized there IS a solution. The lifestyle of Konohana Family covers the entire system which is important and necessary for the current society.
Muren:
What do you call this system?
Isadon:
We call it “The Universal Circulation Lifestyle.”
Muren:
I would like you to incorporate the political and economic laboratory that I have suggested.
Isadon:
People in charge of politics exist in the center of this system and operate all the activities based on the spirituality of “The Village of Bodhisattvas.” Originally, economics is not about making money, but “governing the world and saving people”, described in the Chinese classics. Therefore, economics is for people and the world and to govern the world rightly.
Muren:
That is the true economics. However, the current economics is totally different.
Isadon:
Under the current politics and economics, people have made conflicts based on the individual principal and assertion, and created the world which is convenient only to humans.
Muren:
We humans need to analyze this modern society more deeply. The analysis that people have done in the past is not good enough. Konohana Family has found the right way of living as humans and practiced it for 21 years. If we analyze the modern society on top of that, I am sure that the issues of the modern society will be clearer.
Awa-chan:
The Earth Summit will be held from November 21st to 23rd, where those who support this lifestyle will gather here. During the Summit, we are going to analyze the human history from the Industrial Revolution and figure out what kind of model would be necessary for humans in the next era.
Isadon:
He is the Earth Summit organizer.
Awa-chan:
I majored in politics and economics, so I understand what Muren and Isadon have said very well.
Isadon:
In that meaning, the young generation like Muren and you are going to play a very important role from now on. Awa-chan is not a Konohana Family member. However, Konohana Family members are not people who live in the Konohana Family and live it. They are ones who open a new era and create the future of the Earth. Therefore, it is important that people from the outside world organize such events and we play a role as a model for a new era, and we spread this lifestyle to the world together.
Muren:
People around the world will gather here in the future. And they are people who have no walls of the heart and are able to communicate with each other through their heart without explaining with words.
Isadon:
Recently, many Chinese and Taiwanese people have visited us to learn the lifestyle of Konohana Family. Originally, living together began from the communism in the modern era. However, the current communists have forgotten such spirituality. Originally, the primitive communist society was like that.
Muren:
Actually, the communism covers that.
Isadon:
Therefore, in a sense, Konohana Family is an ideal communist society. However, our communism includes the spirituality of the ancient Katakamuna civilization.
Muren:
I believe people thought and created communism with the human wisdom in a sense, but the lifestyle of Konohana Family is totally different. It is the world that consists of something further back, so there is a huge difference between them.
Isadon:
You really understand the essence of Konohana Family! Communism is the system created by humans who thought how to create a better world, as the Japanese word of communism includes the meaning of “industry.” However, what we practice here is to express the figure of the universe, the galaxy, the solar system and the Earth into our daily life and everything is connected in the network of life. Therefore, the time has arrived when those who understand this live according to it and seek the abundance to contribute to the network of lives on Earth.
Muren:
I can see the vision that all the precious materials used in Konohana Family will be converted into documents and published in the future. It means that the key to a new era will be discovered through the system. In order to do so, it is essential for each Konohana member to become a researcher.
Isadon:
The laboratory for the Konohana Family members is their daily life.
Muren:
People living here consider it as an ordinary matter. However, this lifestyle is a great challenge for people of the outside world.
Isadon:
Can the system exist only when we play our roles inside and people like you and Awa-chan work together in the network.
Muren:
I am determined to work as a Konohana Family member already.
Isadon:
If everyone has consciousness as an Earth being, all the people would be one big family since the Earth is one. Furthermore, if people with such consciousness become connected, we will be able to reach the consciousness even as a universal being.
Also, I have a vision that the wisdom will come out not only at the foot of Mt. Fuji, Japan, but also at various sacred sites around the world sooner or later. Moreover, if humans become aware of the truth, each person will be able to become a sacred site where the precious wisdom comes out. Therefore, we have been putting on the light of people’s minds through this lifestyle, as an opportunity for people to understand the true meaning of living on Earth as humans. And if many people with such consciousness appear and create the network, it will become big beautiful light. Let’s work together, hoping the network of light will encompass the Earth.
Muren:
Of course! The indigenous wisdom around the world will gather here in the future. Thank you for making your precious time today.
Isadon:
Thank YOU for having a great time. Let’s have a talk again in the near future.
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